The Daily Evolver Podcast: The Presence of the Future [Interview]


A few months ago I had the pleasure of being interview by integral thinker Jeff Salzman for his show, The Daily Evolver: Integral Insight into Politics & Culture. Jeff brought a level of enthusiasm and deep engagement into the subject matter — moving through each of the structures of consciousness as articulated by Jean Gebser — and, naturally, this made for a wonderful conversation. I have to thank Jeff, as well, for helping me to re-introduce Gebser’s integral aperspectival approach, the phenomenology of awakening (Bewußtwerdungsphänomenologie), to the Integral Theory crowd (I’ve made some great connections as a result). You can read Jeff’s reflections on the conversation here.

Here’s to more conversation in the (latent) future. Thanks again, Jeff.

Surprisingly (to me at least) Gebser did not see these structures as evolutionarily continuous, but as “mutations” which are all online now in various states of “efficiency” and “deficiency”. Further, not only are the structures of history online, but so are the structures of the future – and they are calling to us right here and now.

This presents a terrific koan to the integral practitioner, and Jeremy Johnson transmits it in a way that left me inspired and the world reenchanted. May he – and Gebser – do the same for you!